Posts by cha ching

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For those in the Watchtower who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible

by opusdei1972 in

the watchtower says:.

9 while most major books of religion say very little, if anything, about god, the bible acquaints us with jehovah god and his activities.

it helps us to see the many facets of his personality.

Bizarro world conclusion to the 2014 International Convention Public Bible Discourse

by rory-ks in

jw
friends

it was entitled earth's new ruler - who really qualifies?

given by brother mark neumeyer*, "who has been a full-time servant for nearly 35 years, and is a helper of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.

" it was his second talk of the convention.

cha ching

"For a fact!"...... How many times have I heard that one?

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BEING SHUNNED

by JOHNROSS93 in

after almost 40 years of being shunned by close family members, it never gets easier.

my own mother is under the spell of the "organization" and won't even write to me.

for a long time i sent her things - cards, news articles of interest, jokes, etc - i finally gave up.

cha ching

I feel so bad for all that are shunned.

The WT is a cruel, cold hearted, calculating organization... period.

When people are DF'd, shunned, wait a year, are welcomed back with "love", you are "paying" people to "come back to Jehovah", it is a payoff. When you are shunned, does that make you love Jehovah? No.

"Shun them so that they will come back to Jehovah" = Blackmail. It is not love, it does not make people love, it only makes hate.

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Elder: I threw out all WT & Awake and only keep the last ten years...

by adjusted knowledge in

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friends

i had a recent conversation with an elder from my mother's congregation.

he with another elder was at my mom's house.

my mother has all the bound volumes for both the awake and watchtower plus most of the older books.

cha ching

Thx Adjusted Knowledge!

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Elder: I threw out all WT & Awake and only keep the last ten years...

by adjusted knowledge in

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friends

i had a recent conversation with an elder from my mother's congregation.

he with another elder was at my mom's house.

my mother has all the bound volumes for both the awake and watchtower plus most of the older books.

cha ching

Wait a minute.... WHAT??????

Don't tell me they have gone back to "Sodom & Gomorrah might be resurrected"?

NO WAY!!!??!!!

If so, please give me the link, book, etc this info is from... I have to read it myself.

Thx! cha ching

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They may not pass the plate around like other churches, but they do mention contributions a couple of times

by Legacy in

so i went to the international convention.

nice.

the org.

cha ching

Let's just have a service meeting part once a month on "how to donate everything you own to us when you die."

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So Much For Advertise Advertise Advertise (another DVD thread)

by ctrwtf in

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friends

if the ultimate goal is to reach as many people as possible with the kingdom message, why does the society find it necessary to block any public access to the new dvd?.

could it be because the public will see how vacuous their teachings are?

producing this propaganda is a new low even for them.

cha ching

Well, it's better that people don't get life if they have to get it from copyright violation.... right?

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Loyalty to Org Over Everything Else Part 2

by startingover13 in

a few months ago i posted about the dilemna i was facing with my girlfriend and getting reinstated.

a little under a year ago, both of us were disfellowshipped for sexual immorality.

while it was difficult, we promised to stick together through it, work our way toward marraige, and eventually return.

cha ching

Even if she let you "come back," you will still have to deal with:

"The organization, the elders, the WT, the AW" will always be telling you what to think, what not to do, what to do, how to do it, how to feel, how to breathe.... The Borg creates a terrible extra burden on any marriage. Guilt is a prime ingredient in any WT recipe.

I have seen the grandmother of an abused child fight for the Society one day, yell at the Society the next, go back the day after, and smile and breathe and then shun her sons because... now she gets to 'be a pioneer' again. Quite sad, but quite true. My point is that the Society has an uneasy, uncanny power over people, and they don't even show natural affection any more...

It's better you start over younger, than go thru all kinds of MORE misery, and have to start over older. Number one, find out who you are. Love yourself, find things you really really enjoy doing. Move, get a different job that you can get to know different people at. Get a different perspective. For as much as people think that there is "only one person" that is your ideal match, that just could not be true! If your ideal match is in the same town you were born in, and mine too, etc, etc.... Well, what would be the odds that it is simply looking for a person, getting to know a person, then coming to appreciate and love them? There are many other great people, allow yourself the chance to live. :-)

Hang in there.... life changes one step at a time.

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You don't seem to be as happy anymore!?

by stuckinarut2 in

i have been told by some in the cong that i don't seem to be as happy anymore..."what's wrong?

" they ask..... i feel like screaming out "i'm not happy because i'm going insane living a sham fake life stuck in the org pretending to be a good ms and witness!".

i really do feel it is taking a toll on me...and even the damn bros and sis are now seeing it!.

cha ching

Dear StuckinaRut....

I feel so sorry for you.. It is hard to live a lie. I think Data's suggestion of 'gently' introducing a reason for sadness, then not going so much, 'for health reasons' is a possible idea.

Do you "have need to travel" (lol) in another job? Get other friends? Start building a network of real life support for 'after the bomb hits.'

Enjoy the new, free life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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When I decided to no longer turn in time...

by SG098 in

being my 1st post i figured i should relate a personal experience.

a few months ago i decided to stop reporting time.

i'm mentally out of this cult now but still trapped because of family.

cha ching

Congrats SG098! Good for you! Good job on the recording, and also handling the barrage of "direction from mother" via the elders....

I think recordings like this one helps people to see how world wide the propaganda techniques actually are. It is just not in "your congregation." They all say the same things... but for ME, alive a lot longer than you, I don't remember elders talking in the "mother" terms, or "we don't want to disappoint/ go against Christ's brothers" type of comments. This is all pretty recent, it seems to have been stepped up in the last ten/ fifteen years? or so...

The magic questions/ stataements that seem to always come up as of late... "Do you believe this is God's organization?" or "Have you been online reading something?" "This doesn't sound like something you would think of yourself" They don't believe people can actually have a brain or a conscience of their own.

When I was still "in", I auxillary pioneered, but asked my name to not be announced. I did not want people 'congratulating' me for signing a paper. I always thought, "why do I have to sign up to go out door to door for so many hours?" Well, if you auxillary pioneer during the CO's visit, you get to go to the first half of the pioneer meeting....

Titles, announcements, 'privileges', can motivate people to do many things that they wouldn't otherwise, but should, if they are really interested in the people. (Like you, you should not have to 'write your time down' to prove your love for people... Many go in service, but are they really there to help people? or write time down so that they can 'make their hours' or show how loyal they are? If we look at the Bible, none of the people there had to write their time down to "encourage the congregation" or "the world wide work"... I like your "don't let your left hand know what the right hand is doing")

Hang in there, I hope that your wife one day awakens, know that you are doing what is right. cha ching!